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		<title>By: brainwave entrainment</title>
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		<dc:creator>brainwave entrainment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: how to meet women</title>
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		<dc:creator>how to meet women</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Francis Badge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Badge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely appreciate you discussing this article. Great!!</description>
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		<title>By: the ongoing human struggle with the divine &#171; words</title>
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		<dc:creator>the ongoing human struggle with the divine &#171; words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] approach to the Bible sounds very similar to Brian McLaren&#8217;s &#8211; which made me a fan of McLaren&#8217;s most recent book: We can read [the Bible] as a human testament to the encounter with God, one that evolves as human [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] approach to the Bible sounds very similar to Brian McLaren&#8217;s &#8211; which made me a fan of McLaren&#8217;s most recent book: We can read [the Bible] as a human testament to the encounter with God, one that evolves as human [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting conversation.  Frankly, I&#039;m pretty much to the point where I&#039;m sick of the Bible and have been reading other scriptures.  Too much baggage with the Bible and too much of the attitude that it is the &quot;Great Big Book of Everything&quot;.  I really like the reference to a Constitution.  The authors of the letters, stories, parables, poetry, etc. that got rolled up into the Bible were not intending to write a theological constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting conversation.  Frankly, I&#8217;m pretty much to the point where I&#8217;m sick of the Bible and have been reading other scriptures.  Too much baggage with the Bible and too much of the attitude that it is the &#8220;Great Big Book of Everything&#8221;.  I really like the reference to a Constitution.  The authors of the letters, stories, parables, poetry, etc. that got rolled up into the Bible were not intending to write a theological constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian McLaren – Navigating Through A New Kind of Christianity &#124; David Kenney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian McLaren – Navigating Through A New Kind of Christianity &#124; David Kenney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Question 2 &#8211; The Authority Question [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Mordecai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Mordecai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2. Respond to the way the Bible was used by the pro-slavery forces in American history. Do you see the Bible being used the same way today?

The pro-slavery folks that used the Bible in history are guilty of eisegesis. You take a narrow view of something described that is a part of a larger concept and you ignore the larger concept and instead insert your own ideas. For example, the epistles talk about slaves obeying their masters. The context is missing: slavery is not kidnapping someone of another race and putting them in the cotton fields. Slavery in the Bible is the result of debt and it is not forever. Anyway, I digress.

The big picture from all of scripture is that Jesus will redeem his people by dying on the cross, paying for their sins and breaking the bonds of slavery. But there is a twist. Jesus has sheep that are not of this fold. Throughout the Bible, Old and New Testaments we find the declaration, &quot;The Gentiles also!&quot; Hence David sings about God&#039;s glory among the nations. Hence Paul rejects circumcision. Hence in Revelation every tribe has people in Heaven.

In order to use the Bible to justify slavery, you have to ignore this colossal storyline of the Bible in order to veil your idolatry over love of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2. Respond to the way the Bible was used by the pro-slavery forces in American history. Do you see the Bible being used the same way today?</p>
<p>The pro-slavery folks that used the Bible in history are guilty of eisegesis. You take a narrow view of something described that is a part of a larger concept and you ignore the larger concept and instead insert your own ideas. For example, the epistles talk about slaves obeying their masters. The context is missing: slavery is not kidnapping someone of another race and putting them in the cotton fields. Slavery in the Bible is the result of debt and it is not forever. Anyway, I digress.</p>
<p>The big picture from all of scripture is that Jesus will redeem his people by dying on the cross, paying for their sins and breaking the bonds of slavery. But there is a twist. Jesus has sheep that are not of this fold. Throughout the Bible, Old and New Testaments we find the declaration, &#8220;The Gentiles also!&#8221; Hence David sings about God&#8217;s glory among the nations. Hence Paul rejects circumcision. Hence in Revelation every tribe has people in Heaven.</p>
<p>In order to use the Bible to justify slavery, you have to ignore this colossal storyline of the Bible in order to veil your idolatry over love of money.</p>
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		<title>By: preachinjesus</title>
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		<dc:creator>preachinjesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t a new approach to the Bible. Again, this is simply rehashing modernist thought from the early part of the 20th century.

The difficulty here is the the entire video is essential two white males talking around the topic without ever actually impacting the topic. Out of the entire video only about 30 seconds actually develop any kind of usable theological thesis. It comes to a head with this: &quot;The questions are still open.&quot;

This is truly the point. Now I disagree with Pastor McLaren&#039;s point that the Bible is a constitution. I do agree that we can view it as a library. Yet his point shows how he hasn&#039;t really thought this all out. In a library you still have to categorize texts and use a documentation system to find appropriate resources. The Dewey Decimal system has going to area, shelf, group, book...how is this different than a &quot;constitution.&quot;

What Pastor McLaren needs to talk about here is the idea of developing a new hermeneutic. Yet I don&#039;t think he&#039;s got the theological stones to do it. Essentially this video is talking around the idea of what a new hermeneutic for a post-foundationalist era might look like. Yet he, like all the other Emergents, have yet to offer an innovative reply to their underlying question. The default here is running back to the modernism of the first part of the 20th century.

Now he does this by saying that we are fallible interpreters. I&#039;m fine with that if we ask him to seriously consider the role of the Holy Spirit in illumining the Scriptures. Yet this isn&#039;t developed.

Finally, where does the &quot;slavery&quot; argument come in. This is just a default criticism angled against some biblicists on the basis of poor hermeneutics in the past. Nellie Norton is a terrible text that uses extraordinarily bad hermeneutics to arrive at its sad point. How can we use this argument reasonably? How about developing some other ways to consider how we misunderstand the text contemporarily?

Until then we just witnessed one of the most vapid conversations I&#039;ve seen about an important topic in quite awhile.

PJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t a new approach to the Bible. Again, this is simply rehashing modernist thought from the early part of the 20th century.</p>
<p>The difficulty here is the the entire video is essential two white males talking around the topic without ever actually impacting the topic. Out of the entire video only about 30 seconds actually develop any kind of usable theological thesis. It comes to a head with this: &#8220;The questions are still open.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is truly the point. Now I disagree with Pastor McLaren&#8217;s point that the Bible is a constitution. I do agree that we can view it as a library. Yet his point shows how he hasn&#8217;t really thought this all out. In a library you still have to categorize texts and use a documentation system to find appropriate resources. The Dewey Decimal system has going to area, shelf, group, book&#8230;how is this different than a &#8220;constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>What Pastor McLaren needs to talk about here is the idea of developing a new hermeneutic. Yet I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s got the theological stones to do it. Essentially this video is talking around the idea of what a new hermeneutic for a post-foundationalist era might look like. Yet he, like all the other Emergents, have yet to offer an innovative reply to their underlying question. The default here is running back to the modernism of the first part of the 20th century.</p>
<p>Now he does this by saying that we are fallible interpreters. I&#8217;m fine with that if we ask him to seriously consider the role of the Holy Spirit in illumining the Scriptures. Yet this isn&#8217;t developed.</p>
<p>Finally, where does the &#8220;slavery&#8221; argument come in. This is just a default criticism angled against some biblicists on the basis of poor hermeneutics in the past. Nellie Norton is a terrible text that uses extraordinarily bad hermeneutics to arrive at its sad point. How can we use this argument reasonably? How about developing some other ways to consider how we misunderstand the text contemporarily?</p>
<p>Until then we just witnessed one of the most vapid conversations I&#8217;ve seen about an important topic in quite awhile.</p>
<p>PJ</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Seeber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Seeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Catholic answer:  From the Apostles on the Faith of Peter, the Rock of the Church, as instituted by Christ.

We don&#039;t use the Bible for our Authority.  It&#039;s more like the recommended reading of the Authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Catholic answer:  From the Apostles on the Faith of Peter, the Rock of the Church, as instituted by Christ.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t use the Bible for our Authority.  It&#8217;s more like the recommended reading of the Authority.</p>
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