Comments on: Andrew Marin Pt 2- Elevating the Conversation Between the Church and the Gay Community

By: offer code

offer code — Sun, 18 Dec 2011 17:28:21 +0000

I like this website because so much utile stuff on here : D.

By: Sara

Sara — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:02:54 +0000

As a bi, this duo-posting was quite encouraging. I’ve seen several videos that steer into the direction of “we-love-you-but-you-still-gotta-change-you-damned-sinner-read-your-Bible-heathen-this-is-a-perversion-worthy-of-the-lake-of-fire-and-we’ll-cast-you-in-ourselves-by-the-way-Christ-loves-you-remember-to-tithe-and-take-communion”. I was married to someone who found homosexuality an abomination and made disgusting jokes about it constantly but would attempt to sway me into threesomes with friends. Apparently girl-girl-guy isn’t a sin. If you’re married.

I’m no longer with him and have found a new church community that is much more welcoming. It is a relief to find that there are places and people where Christ can be found, and where I don’t have to fight anymore, where I can rest.

By: MJ

MJ — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:27:05 +0000

The video stops loading for me @ 2:18. Can anyone help me with this or is there another location on the web I can finish this great video?!

On a personal note, as a Christian man who is openly gay, I have found The Ooze and others like their community of believers to be a mirror of God’s grace and humility found only in His Son Jesus the Christ. I thank you to all who decide not to JUST believe in Jesus but actually allow yourselves to be taken by the Spirit to begin FOLLOWING and LIVING like Jesus.

By: BVanderbilt

BVanderbilt — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:32:28 +0000

I have had the great pleasure of seeing Andrew speak at several events and his heart is amazing. I too second the comment of wishing I had the courage to step out and do something significant for the kingdom of God. Each of us are children of God and deserve to know him intimately…Thanks to Andrew and his thoughtfulness that I may now have the courage and tools to move forward in loving my gay friends…I have just bought the book and look forward to reading it…Additionally, thanks to the person who gave the blog address it is really awesome and I am looking forward to being a part of those discussions…I encourage anyone who has a chance to hear him speak live should make an effort!!!

By: bbaltrus

bbaltrus — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:53:22 +0000

Thank you Andrew for doing something I wish I had the courage to achieve. I have attempted to fight this fight within the traditional church structure with very limited success.

I have chosen to change to a more accepting United Church of Christ structure for my family and myself. The 40 years that Andrew speaks about is now my goal. My children will understand that loving your neighbor as your self means. All of our children are our best hope and changing this conversation. It will take time and energy, but they will carry this forward.

Something that Spencer said caught my attention upon reflection. Maybe I need to re-think who my neighbor is? Maybe I am suppose to stay in the conservative evangelical circles and love the person most unlike myself? The conservative evangelical!!

By: Tim

Tim — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:28:17 +0000

Great conversation. Hopefully we can all learn to love as Christ loved/loves and feel secure enough in His love for us that we are willing to love others who are different, who we don’t understand, and to open enough to the fact that we don’t have all the answers.

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:27:03 +0000

i am not for sure what the confusion is. it is simple, man and woman, not man and man, woman and woman, manwoman and manwoman, womanman and womanman.

there is no way around it. i am sorry but it is simple, there is no way around it.

anyone is welcome in our church, it really does not matter who or what you are.

the bible is clear

By: Jon

Jon — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:41:03 +0000

Anon, I appreciate your thoughts and would like to note that “both communities” is actually referring to the conservative evangelicals and the progressive liberal christians dealing with the issue within the church and not the gay community itself. In fact, in Pt 1 Andrew even makes the statement that the gay community is the most loving and open community out there and that they embody the message of Jesus in that way. I can see the confusion now that you mention it.

I might not consider myself a typical evangelical but you are more than welcome in my faith community, free of judgment of this so-called sin

By: Anon

Anon — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:30:35 +0000

Andrew believes both communities are talking past each other instead of loving each other.

I’m a little confused about how the LGBT community has been “unloving” to the evangelical community. We’d mostly like to be left alone by evangelicals and to not have evangelic politicians always railing against us to score political points.

It seems like there is some sort of effort to draw a false equality along the line of “we’ve all been mean to each other” when in fact it’s really been more of a one way street on that front. But hey, if this means evangelicals will stop being so anti-gay, I’m happy.

Finally, a theological query: I’m quite familiar with the theological arguments for the sinfulness of homosexuality (Romans 1; Leviticus; Sodom and Gomorrah; Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve), but what about trans people? I’d be curious to know if or why evangelicals view transgendered people as being sinful.

In any event, precious few openly LGBT people actually show up at evangelical churches because we know we’re not welcome in such environments, so Question 2 seems rather hypothetical.

By: B Stewart

B Stewart — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:28:07 +0000

Phil, I have relatives who live in the UK and they bought theirs off of Amazon UK. I was also at Spring Harvest in April and I heard they were going to be distrubuting it as well. But I know it’s on Amazon UK for sure!

I read Andrew’s blog as well and he is scheduled to be in the UK in September and I also heard he’ll be speaking there in April as well at Spring Harvest. My relatives are looking forward to hearing him in person. Hope that helps.